Updated July 28, 2021 to include the new SBA PPP Direct Forgiveness PortalThe main attraction of a Paycheck Protection (PPP) loan is that it may be fully forgiven. In essence, forgiveness turns the loan into a grant.To qualify for forgiveness requires you to spend your PPP loan funds properly in a specific period of time, and then apply for forgiveness with your lender for loans of more than $150,000 and directly with your lender or through the online SBA PPP Direct Forgiveness portal for loans of $150,000 or less. The rules and applications for applying for forgiveness have changed over time. There are currently three forgiveness forms:
The latest and simplest form is 3508S and it may be used for loans of $150,000 or less. However, you must still calculate the amount of your loan that is eligible for forgiveness and maintain those records in case your application is audited. For that reason, you may want to fill out either Form 3508EZ or Form 3508 to calculate forgiveness, and keep that documentation with your records.This article walks step-by-step through the full forgiveness form, 3508. A few important highlights:
- The covered period is now any number of weeks between 8 – 24 weeks after the loan is disbursed. There is no longer an “Alternative Covered Period.” This applies to any PPP loan for which a loan forgiveness payment had not been remitted by SBA as of December 27, 2020.
- EIDL Advances (grants) are no longer deducted from the PPP loan forgiveness amount. This is retroactive to all PPP loans.
- Forgiven PPP loans are not taxed and the business may still deduct qualified expenses paid for with PPP funds. (States may tax PPP funds; it varies.)
- You apply for forgiveness with the lender that gave you the loan, or the lender that is servicing the loan.
Please note, the material contained in this article is for informational purposes only, is general in nature, and should not be relied upon or construed as a legal opinion or legal advice. Please keep in mind this information is changing rapidly and is based on our current understanding of the programs. It can and likely will change. Although we will be monitoring and updating this as new information becomes available, please do not rely solely on this for your financial decisions. We encourage you to consult with your lawyers, CPAs and Financial Advisors.
Tip: To follow along with this information, print out or download the PPP Loan Forgiveness Application (SBA Form 3508 revised January 19, 2021) before you start. Your lender may provide an online version of this form but it is helpful to have a printed copy for your notes.
Understand that completing this application will require a number of calculations. If you are not comfortable with this process, get help from your accountant or financial advisor.
How Does SBA Loan Forgiveness Work?
There is a lot to digest here and hopefully it will make sense once you approach it methodically. In this article, we provide both background information as well as details on specific questions related to the application when that information is available in official guidance.
Before we dive into details, let’s quickly review the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan program. (This background may help if you see articles that don’t incorporate the latest changes, or if you are wondering why this round of forgiveness is a little different than before.)
- The PPP loan program is an SBA loan program under the SBA 7(a) program, and was created by the CARES Act that became law March 27, 2020.
- On June 5, 2020 the President signed the Paycheck Protection Program Flexibility Act, which changed some provisions, and on June 16, 2020 Treasury released a new PPP Forgiveness Application and instructions.
- The Economic Aid Act (the “stimulus bill”) passed on December 27, 2020 provided more funding to PPP loans, created a second draw loan program, and made further changes. On January 16, 2021 the SBA released a new Interim Final Rule with forgiveness guidelines, along with the three updated forgiveness applications referenced above.
The basic premise of PPP is that business owners—including those who are self-employed—can apply for a loan of 2.5 times their average monthly payroll. (Second draw borrowers in an industry with a NAICS code starting in 72 can apply for a loan based on 3.5 times average monthly payroll.) Once they get the loan, they are required to spend the funds during a specific period of time (soon after they get the loan) on approved expenses—mostly for payroll—and if they do so, can apply to have the entire amount forgiven.
Overall the process is supposed to work like this:
- You get a PPP loan.
- During the covered period (which we’ll describe in a moment), you spend it on specific items, primarily payroll.
- You apply for forgiveness with your lender and provide required documentation.
- The lender has up to 60 days to respond to your request for forgiveness, and ideally agrees and the balance is forgiven.
- Any balance not forgiven will become a loan at 1% for 5 years (or 2 years for loans made before June 5, 2020).
We’ll go into more details in this article.
Filling Out the PPP Forgiveness Application
Filling out your PPP forgiveness application will be very different depending on whether you have employees or not.
NOTE: If you are self employed and do not have W-2 employees read our article: Self Employed: How to Fill Out the PPP Loan Forgiveness Application Form
There are two other forgiveness applications that some businesses may use. The first is Form 3508EZ. You may qualify to use this form if you are self-employed with no employees, or you have generally not reduced employee headcount or wages. Additionally, on January 16, 2021 SBA released a new simplified application form that may be used by businesses that received $150,000 or less in PPP funds.The most complicated part of filling out the forgiveness application is filling out the payroll sections. We’ll provide general information here but you may have questions unique to your situation. You may find answers in the SBA guidance, so be sure to review it. (It’s 62 pages long but there is a table of contents starting on page 9 that may help you find an answer more quickly.) Also keep in mind this information does not replace professional accounting or legal advice. In fact, we strongly encourage you to work with your accountant before you submit your application for forgiveness.
What Is Payroll?
Payroll includes:
- Salary, wages, commissions or similar compensation,
- Payment of cash tips or equivalent (based on employer records of past tips or, in the absence of such records, a reasonable, good-faith employer estimate of such tips),
- Payment for vacation, parental, family, medical, or sick leave;
- Allowance for dismissal or separation;
- Payment for the provision of employee benefits consisting of group health care or group life, disability, vision, or dental insurance, including insurance premiums, and retirement;
- Payment of state or local tax assessed on the compensation of employees.
It does not include:
- The compensation of an individual employee in excess of $100,000 on an annualized basis, as prorated for the period during which the payments are made or the obligation to make the payments is incurred,
- Any compensation of an employee whose principal place of residence is outside the United States;
- Qualified sick and family leave wages for which a credit is allowed under sections 7001 and 7003 of the Families First Coronavirus Response Act.
In general, payroll costs paid or incurred during the covered period are eligible for forgiveness. (More details of payroll expenses paid vs. incurred are listed in the FAQs below.) Salary, wages, or commission payments to furloughed employees, bonuses or hazard pay during the covered period may be eligible for forgiveness, provided they don’t exceed the $100,000 annual cap. (See the FAQs below for information on caps on owner-employee compensation.)Payments to independent contractors are not covered under the employer’s payroll. And payroll costs that are qualified wages taken into account in determining the Employer Retention Credit are not eligible for loan forgiveness.
Before we dive into the application, there are a couple of important questions you’ll need to be able to answer. Let’s tackle two of them right now.
What is the Covered Period?
On the first page of the application, you’ll see sections asking you to fill in:
Covered Period: _________ to __________
The covered period we are referring to here is the time period you have to spend your loan funds for forgiveness purposes. It is now 8-24 weeks after the loan is disbursed. (This applies to any PPP loan for which a loan forgiveness payment had not been remitted by SBA as of December 27, 2020.) You get to choose the number of weeks within that window, but it always is at least 8 weeks and begins when loan funds are disbursed (put into your bank account.) Note: You may see other periods listed in articles (or even used another period if you already applied for forgiveness for your first PPP loan). That’s because originally the CARES Act set that period at 8 weeks after the loan is disbursed. The PPP Flexibility Act passed in June 2020 changed it to 8 or 24 weeks. Because payroll and other expenses don’t always fall neatly into those periods, the SBA also created an “Alternative Covered Period.” That’s now eliminated.
What are FTEs?
Another term you’ll see throughout the application is “FTE,” which stands for Full-time Equivalent or Full-time Equivalency. This is a calculation based on the number of hours an employee works.
Full-time equivalent (FTE) can take into account both full-time and part-time employees. The PPP Forgiveness Application explains how to calculate FTE for PPP loan forgiveness. Here’s what it says:
“For each employee, enter the average number of hours paid per week, divide by 40, and round the total to the nearest tenth. The maximum for each employee is capped at 1.0. For employees who were paid for less than 40 hours per week, borrowers may choose to calculate the full-time equivalency in one of two ways. First, the borrower may calculate the average number of hours a part-time employee was paid per week during the covered period. For example, if an employee was paid for 30 hours per week on average during the covered period, the employee could be considered to be an FTE employee of 0.75. Similarly, if an employee was paid for ten hours per week on average during the covered period, the employee could be considered to be an FTE employee of 0.25. Second, for administrative convenience, borrowers may elect to use a full-time equivalency of 0.5 for each part-time employee…Borrowers may select only one of these two methods, and must apply that method consistently to all of their part-time employees for the covered period and the selected reference period.”
Make sure you understand that you have these options for calculating FTE. This calculation is going to be very important for forgiveness purposes as you’ll see when we walk through the application. There is a detailed discussion of FTE’s in the SBA’s January 19, 2021 Interim Final Rule (starting on page 31.) If you have reduced employee headcount, hours and/or wages, it is worth your time to read and understand it before you complete your forgiveness application.
As you follow along here, note that we have copied actual fields and their instructions from the SBA application. Tips in italics below those fields are our comments, based on our understanding of the current guidance.
PPP Schedule A Worksheet Employee Information
To fill out the application, we find it easier not to start at the beginning. Instead, it may make sense to skip ahead to the PPP Schedule A Worksheet now on page 4 of the application. You’ll need to calculate information about employees’ hours and wages in order to plug that information back into the application.
Table 1: List employees who:
• Were employed by the Borrower at any point during the covered period covered period whose principal place of residence is in the United States; and
• Received compensation from the Borrower at an annualized rate of less than or equal to $100,000 for all pay periods in 2019 or were not employed by the Borrower at any point in 2019. (Note: Other employees will be in the next table.)
Let’s look at each of these fields:
Employee’s Name: Here you list each employee’s name. Do not include any independent contractors, owner-employees, self-employed individuals, or partners.
Employee Identifier: This is the last four digits of their Social Security numbers.
Enter Cash Compensation: Enter the sum of gross salary, gross wages, gross tips, gross commissions, paid leave (vacation, family, medical or sick leave, not including leave covered by the Families First Coronavirus Response Act), and allowances for dismissal or separation paid or incurred during the covered period.
Important: The application clarifies that: “For each individual employee, the total amount of cash compensation eligible for forgiveness may not exceed an annual salary of $100,000, as prorated for the covered period. For an 8-week Covered Period, that total is $15,385. For a 24-week Covered Period, that total is $46,154.
Average FTE: Earlier we talked about calculating FTE. The application states: “This calculates the average full-time equivalency (FTE) during the Covered Period. For each employee, enter the average number of hours paid per week, divide by 40, and round the total to the nearest tenth. The maximum for each employee is capped at 1.0. A simplified method that assigns a 1.0 for employees who work 40 hours or more per week and 0.5 for employees who work fewer hours may be used at the election of the Borrower.”
FTE Reduction Exceptions:
Do you see the grey box in Table 1 on the application (page 4) that says “FTE Reduction Exceptions?” This is essentially where you identify employees who could not or would not return to work so you (ideally) won’t be penalized with a reduction in forgiveness.
Specifically, here you indicate the FTE of:
- Any positions for which the Borrower made a good-faith, written offer to rehire an individual who was an employee on February 15, 2020 and the Borrower was unable to hire similarly qualified employees for unfilled positions on or before December 31, 2020, for a PPP loan made before December 27, 2020 or (b) the last day of the Covered Period, for a PPP loan made after December 27, 2020;
- Any positions for which the Borrower made a good-faith, written offer to restore any reduction in hours, at the same salary or wages, during the Covered Period and the employee rejected the offer, and
- Any employees who during the Covered Period were fired for cause, (b) voluntarily resigned, or (c) voluntarily requested and received a reduction of their hours.
In all of these cases, include these FTEs on this line only if the position was not filled by a new employee. Any FTE reductions in these cases do not reduce the borrower’s loan forgiveness.
Rehiring “Safe Harbor” Calculations
By way of background, the CARES Act and PPP Flexibility Act provide “safe harbors” that allow employers to avoid a reduction in forgiveness. In other words, reductions in employees and/or wages won’t always result in a reduction in forgiveness if these conditions are met.
FTE Reduction Safe Harbor
By way of background, you may not be penalized for reducing headcount or wages in certain circumstances. Two separate safe harbors exempt certain borrowers from any loan forgiveness reduction based on a reduction in FTE employee levels:
- The Borrower is exempt from the reduction in loan forgiveness based on a reduction in FTE employees described above if the Borrower, in good faith, is able to document that it was unable to operate between February 15, 2020, and the end of the Covered Period at the same level of business activity as before February 15, 2020, due to compliance with requirements established or guidance issued between March 1, 2020 and December 31, 2020 (or, for a PPP loan made after December 27, 2020, requirements established or guidance issued between March 1, 2020 and the last day of the Covered Period), by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, related to the maintenance of standards for sanitation, social distancing, or any other worker or customer safety requirement related to COVID-19.
- The Borrower is exempt from the reduction in loan forgiveness based on a reduction in FTE employees described above if both of the following conditions are met: (a) the Borrower reduced its FTE employee levels in the period beginning February 15, 2020, and ending April 26, 2020; and (b) the Borrower then restored its FTE employee levels to its FTE employee levels in the Borrower’s pay period that included February 15, 2020 by not later than (i) December 31, 2020, for a PPP loan made before December 27, 2020, or (ii) the last day of the Covered Period, for a PPP loan made after December 27, 2020.
FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2:
There is a step-by-step calculation for the second FTE Reduction Safe Harbor. (It’s below Table 2 on page 4).Step 1. Enter the borrower’s total average FTE between February 15, 2020 and April 26, 2020. Follow the same method that was used to calculate Average FTE in the PPP Schedule A Worksheet Tables. Sum across all employees and enter:________ Step 2. Enter the borrower’s total FTE in the borrower’s pay period inclusive of February 15, 2020. Follow the same method that was used in step 1:_________. Step 3. If the entry for step 2 is greater than step 1, proceed to step 4. Otherwise, FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2 is not applicable and the borrower must complete line 13 of PPP Schedule A by dividing line 12 by line 11 of that schedule. Step 4. Enter the borrower’s total FTE (a) for a PPP loan made before December 27, 2020, as of December 31, 2020 or (b) for a PPP loan made after December 27, 2020, the last day of the covered period:_________ . Step 5. If the entry for step 4 is greater than or equal to step 2, enter 1.0 on line 13 of PPP Schedule A; the FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2 has been satisfied. Otherwise, FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2 does not apply and the Borrower must complete line 13 of PPP Schedule A by dividing line 12 by line 11 of that schedule.
Salary/Hourly Wage Reduction Safe Harbor
Under the CARES Act, reducing salaries or wages during the covered period by more than 25% generally reduces forgiveness. But, again, there is a safe harbor provision. Let’s dive into how that actually works.
This is found on pages 5 & 6 of the application instructions:
For each employee listed in Table 1, complete the following (using salary for salaried employees and hourly wage for hourly employees):
Step 1. Determine if pay was reduced more than 25%.
1a. Enter average annual salary or hourly wage during the covered period: ______________.
1b. . Enter average annual salary or hourly wage during the most recent full quarter before the covered period: ______________.
1c. Divide the value entered in 1.a. by 1.b.: ______________.
If 1.c. is 0.75 or more, enter zero in the column above box 3 for that employee (note: this is the column titled Salary / Hourly Wage Reduction); otherwise proceed to Step 2.
Step 2. Determine if the Salary/Hourly Wage Reduction Safe Harbor is met.
2a. Enter the annual salary or hourly wage as of February 15, 2020: ______________.
2b. Enter the average annual salary or hourly wage between February 15, 2020 and April 26, 2020: ______________.
If 2.b. is equal to or greater than 2.a., skip to Step 3. Otherwise, proceed to 2.c.
2c. Enter the average annual salary or hourly wage as of (a) for a PPP loan made before December 27, 2020, December 31, 2020 or (b) for a PPP loan made after December 27, 2020, the last day of the covered period: ______________.
If 2.c. is equal to or greater than 2.a., the Salary/Hourly Wage Reduction Safe Harbor has been met – enter zero in the column above box 3 for that employee.
Otherwise proceed to Step 3.
Step 3. Determine the Salary/Hourly Wage Reduction.
3a. Multiply the amount entered in 1.b. by 0.75: ______________.
3b. Subtract the amount entered in 1.a. from 3.a.: ______________.
If the employee is an hourly worker, compute the total dollar amount of the reduction that exceeds 25% as follows:
3c. Enter the average number of hours worked per week between January 1, 2020 and March 31, 2020: ______________.
3d. Multiply the amount entered in 3.b. by the amount entered in 3.c. ______________. Multiply this amount by 24 (if borrower is using a 24-week covered period) or 8 (if borrower is using an 8-week covered period): ______________.
Enter this value in the column above box 3 for that employee.
If the employee is a salaried worker, compute the total dollar amount of the reduction that exceeds 25% as follows:
3e. Multiply the amount entered in 3.b. by 24 (if borrower is using a 24-week covered period) or 8 (if borrower is using an 8-week covered period): ______________.
Divide this amount by 52: ______________.
Enter this value in the column above box 3 for that employee.Boxes 1 through 5 Totals: Enter the sums of the amounts in each of the columns.
Now let’s fill out Table 2. We’ve bolded a few key items to make sure you read them carefully.
Table 2: List employees who:
- Were employed by the borrower at any point during the covered period whose principal place of residence is in the United States; and
- Received compensation from the Borrower at an annualized rate of more than $100,000 for any pay period in 2019.
Now you have completed the PPP Schedule A Worksheet. Congratulations!
If you couldn’t fill it out because you had questions about reductions in FTEs or Salary/Wages, we recommend you refer to the SBA guidance and consult your advisors. If that helps you maximize your forgiveness it will be worth it!
Filling Out PPP Schedule A
Now you will use the information you just filled out to fill out the PPP Schedule A. This is found on Page 3 of the application.
PPP Schedule A Worksheet, Table 1 Totals
Lines 1 – 5 should be pretty self-explanatory as they will be filled out using the information from the worksheet you just completed. (PPP Schedule A Worksheet)
Non-Cash Compensation Payroll Costs During the Covered Period
These non-cash payroll costs may also be eligible for forgiveness. During the covered period:
Line 6. Total amount paid by Borrower for employer contributions for employee insurance: ___________________
Enter the total amount paid by the Borrower for employer contributions for employee group health, life, disability, vision, or dental insurance, including employer contributions to a self-insured, employer-sponsored group health plan, but excluding any pre-tax or after-tax contributions by employees. Do not add contributions for these benefits made on behalf of a self-employed individual, general partners, or owner-employees of an S-corporation, because such payments are already included in their compensation.
Line 7. Total amount paid by Borrower for employer contributions to employee retirement plans: ___________________
Enter the total amount paid by the borrower for employer contributions to employee retirement plans, excluding any pre-tax or after-tax contributions by employees. Do not add employer retirement contributions made on behalf of a self-employed individual or general partners, because such payments are already included in their compensation.
Line 8. Total amount paid by borrower for employer state and local taxes assessed on employee compensation: ___________________
Enter the total amount paid by the borrower for employer state and local taxes assessed on employee compensation (e.g., state unemployment insurance tax); do not list any taxes withheld from employee earnings.
These additional payroll costs may be included in the calculations for forgiveness purposes.
Compensation to Owners
Line 9. Total amount paid to owner-employees/self-employed individual/general partners: _____________________
Enter any amounts the borrower paid to owners (owner-employees (with an ownership stake of 5% or more), a self employed individual, or general partners). For each individual owner in total across all businesses, this amount is capped at
(a) $20,833 (the 2.5-month equivalent of $100,000 per year), or
(b) the 2.5-month equivalent of the individual’s applicable compensation in the year that was used to calculate the loan amount (2019 or 2020), whichever is lower. (See more information about owner compensation in the FAQs below.)
Total Payroll Costs Line
10. Payroll Costs (add lines 1, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 9): ___________________
This figure goes on line 1 of the PPP Loan Forgiveness Calculation Form
Full-Time Equivalency (FTE) Reduction Calculation
If you satisfy any of the following three criteria, check the appropriate box, skip lines 11 and 12, and enter 1.0 on line 13; otherwise, complete lines 11, 12, and 13:
No reduction in employees or average paid hours: If you have not reduced the number of employees or the average paid hours of your employees between January 1, 2020 and the end of the Covered Period, check here ☐.
FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 1: If you were unable to operate between February 15, 2020, and the end of the Covered Period at the same level of business activity as before February 15, 2020 due to compliance with requirements established or guidance issued between March 1, 2020 and December 31, 2020, (or, with respect to a PPP loan made on or after December 27, 2020, between March 1, 2020 and the last day of the Covered Period with respect to such loan) by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration related to the maintenance of standards for sanitation, social distancing, or any other worker or customer safety requirement related to COVID-19, check here ☐.
FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2: If you satisfy FTE Reduction Safe Harbor 2 (see PPP Schedule A Worksheet), check here ☐.
Line 11. Average FTE during the Borrower’s chosen reference period: _________
Enter the Borrower’s total average weekly full-time equivalency (FTE) during the chosen reference period. For purposes of this calculation, the reference period is, at the Borrower’s election, either (i) February 15, 2019 to June 30, 2019; (ii) January 1, 2020 to February 29, 2020; or (iii) in the case of seasonal employers, either of the preceding periods or a consecutive twelve-week period between May 1, 2019 and September 15, 2019.
For each employee, follow the same method that was used to calculate Average FTE on the PPP Schedule A Worksheet. Sum across all employees during the reference period and enter that total on this line. The calculations on lines 11, 12, and 13 will be used to determine whether the Borrower’s loan forgiveness amount must be reduced based on reductions in full-time equivalent employees, as required by the statute. Specifically, the actual loan forgiveness amount that the Borrower will receive may be reduced if the Borrower’s average weekly FTE employees during the Covered Period was less than during the Borrower’s chosen reference period. The Borrower is exempt from such a reduction and should skip lines 11 and 12, if any of the three criteria listed on PPP Schedule A under Full-Time Equivalency (FTE) Reduction Calculation has been met.
Line 12. Total Average FTE (add lines 2 and 5): ___________________
Remember Line 2 is based on Average FTE (Box 2) from PPP Schedule A Worksheet, Table 1 while Line 5 is Average FTE (Box 5) from PPP Schedule A Worksheet, Table 2.
Line 13. FTE Reduction Quotient (divide line 12 by line 11) or enter 1.0 if FTE Safe Harbor is met: ___________________
Divide line 12 by line 11 (or enter 1.0 if the FTE Reduction Safe Harbor has been met, according to PPP Schedule A Worksheet—FTE Reduction Safe Harbor). If more than 1.0, enter 1.0. You’ll enter this amount on line 7 of the Loan Forgiveness Calculation Form when we get there.
PPP Loan Forgiveness Calculation Form
Now that the calculations in the worksheets are completed, you should be able to fill out the rest of the application. We’ll go back to page 1 of the application.
First you’ll fill out some basic information about your business:
This information should be straightforward, and you will generally use the information you used to apply unless it has changed from the time you applied.
If this is your first PPP loan, check the box that says First Draw PPP Loan. If it’s your second PPP loan, check the box that says Second Draw PPP Loan.
Note: You must submit a forgiveness application for your first PPP loan before, or at the same time, as the second draw forgiveness application is submitted.
SBA PPP Loan Number: ________________________
This is the number assigned by the SBA to your loan. If you don’t have it, ask your lender.
Lender PPP Loan Number: __________________________
Enter the loan number assigned to the PPP loan by the Lender. Again, if you don’t know, ask your lender.
PPP Loan Amount: _____________________________
This is the amount you received.
PPP Loan Disbursement Date: _______________________
Again, this is when the funds were deposited in your bank account. If you received more than one disbursement, use the date of the first one.
Employees at Time of Loan Application: ___________
Enter the total number of employees at the time of the Borrower’s PPP Loan Application.
Employees at Time of Forgiveness Application: ___________
Enter the total number of employees at the time the borrower is applying for loan forgiveness. Same question as the previous question.
Covered Period: _________ to __________
We discussed these two periods at the beginning of this article.
If Borrower (together with affiliates, if applicable) received PPP loans in excess of $2 million, or Second Draw PPP Loans of $2 Million or More, check here: ☐
Check the box if the Borrower, together with its affiliates (to the extent required under SBA’s interim final rule on affiliates (85 FR 20817 (April 15, 2020)) and not waived under 15 U.S.C. 636(a)(36)(D)(iv)), received PPP loans with an original principal amount in excess of $2 million. If you received more than $2 million (with or without affiliates) make sure you review this with your advisors.
Forgiveness Amount Calculation
Payroll and Nonpayroll Costs
This is where the information you filled out earlier for the worksheets will be helpful:
Line 1. Payroll Costs (enter the amount from PPP Schedule A, line 10): _____________________
Enter total eligible payroll costs incurred or paid during the covered period. Enter the amount you calculated and entered earlier on Line 10 of the PPP Schedule A.
Nonpayroll Costs: For the following nonpayroll costs (line 2-8), you are not required to report payments that you do not want to include in the forgiveness amount. The expenditures in lines 5-8 were added by the Economic Aid Act.
“An eligible nonpayroll cost must be paid during the covered period or incurred during the covered period and paid on or before the next regular billing date, even if the billing date is after the covered period. Eligible nonpayroll costs cannot exceed 40% of the total forgiveness amount. Count non-payroll costs that were both paid and incurred only once.”
Line 2. Business Mortgage Interest Payments: _____________________
Enter the amount of business mortgage interest payments during the covered period for any business mortgage obligation on real or personal property incurred before February 15, 2020. Do not include prepayments.
Line 3. Business Rent or Lease Payments: _____________________
Enter the amount of business rent or lease payments for real or personal property during the covered period, pursuant to lease agreements in force before February 15, 2020. (See additional information about rent in the FAQs below.)
Line 4. Business Utility Payments: _____________________
Enter the amount of business utility payments paid or incurred during the covered period, for business utilities for which service began before February 15, 2020. Under the CARES Act, utility includes payment for a service for the distribution of electricity, gas, water, transportation, telephone, or internet access.
Line 5. Covered Operations Expenditures: ________
Enter the amount of covered operations expenditures paid or incurred during the covered period. These are listed on the application as “payments for any business software or cloud computing service that facilitates business operations, product or service delivery, the processing, payment, or tracking of payroll expenses, human resources, sales and billing functions, or accounting of tracking of supplies, inventory, records, and expenses.”
Line 6. Covered Property Damage Costs: ______
Enter the amount of covered property damage costs paid or incurred during the covered period. These are described as “costs related to property damage and vandalism or looting due to public disturbances that occurred during 2020 that were not covered by insurance or other compensation.”
Line 7. Covered Supplier Costs: ________
Enter the amount of covered supplier costs paid or incurred during the covered period pursuant to a contract, order, or purchase order in effect prior to the beginning of the covered period (for perishable goods, the contract, order, or purchase order must have been in effect before or at any time during the covered period). These are described in the application as “expenditures made to a supplier of goods for the supply of goods that are essential to the operations of the borrower at the time at which the expenditure is made, and made pursuant to a contract, order, or purchase order in effect prior to the beginning of the covered period (for perishable goods, the contract, order, or purchase order may have been in effect before or at any time during the covered period).”
Line 8. Covered Worker Protection Expenditures: _________
Enter the amount of covered worker protection expenditures paid or incurred during the Covered Period. These are described in the application as “operating or capital expenditures that facilitate the adaptation of the business activities of an entity to comply with the requirements established or guidance issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, the Centers for Disease Control, or the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, or any equivalent requirements established or guidance issued by a State or local government, during the period starting March 1, 2020 and ending on the date on which the national emergency declared by the President with respect to the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) expires related to maintenance standards for sanitation, social distancing, or any other worker or customer safety requirement related to COVID-19, but does not include residential real property or intangible property.”
Adjustments for Full-Time Equivalency (FTE) and Salary/Hourly Wage Reductions
Line 9. Total Salary/Hourly Wage Reduction (enter the amount from PPP Schedule A, line 3): _____________________
This amount reflects the loan forgiveness reduction required for salary/hourly wage reductions in excess of 25% for certain employees as described in PPP Schedule A.
Line 10. Add the amounts on lines 1, 2, 3, and 4, then subtract the amount entered in line 5: _____________________
If this amount is less than zero, enter a zero.
Line 11. FTE Reduction Quotient (enter the number from PPP Schedule A, line 13): _____________________
Enter the number from PPP Schedule A, line 13.
Potential Forgiveness Amounts
Line 12. Modified Total (multiply line 10 by line 11): _____________________
Enter the amount on line 10 multiplied by the amount on line 11. This calculation incorporates the loan forgiveness reduction required for any full-time equivalency (FTE) employee reductions as described in PPP Schedule A.
Line 13. PPP Loan Amount: _____________________
Enter the loan amount you received from your lender.
Line 14. Payroll Cost 60% Requirement (divide line 1 by 0.60): _____________________
Divide the amount on line 1 by 0.60, and enter the amount. This determines whether at least 60% of the potential forgiveness amount was used for payroll costs. Note that you should divide by .60 here – don’t multiply!
Forgiveness Amount Line 15. Forgiveness Amount (enter the smallest of lines 12, 13, and 14): _____________________
If you’ve made it this far, you have calculated your potential forgivable amount. Congratulations!
Representations and Certifications
On page 2 of the application you’ll see a list of representations and certifications the borrower must make. These will no doubt make some borrowers nervous about potentially running afoul of the rules and either not qualifying for forgiveness, or worse, putting themselves at risk of criminal penalties. If you are uncertain about any of the (often confusing) calculations in this application, you should get help from a legal or tax professional.
Note that one of the certifications requires you to certify that if this application is for a Second Draw loan, you must have used all First Draw PPP loan amounts on eligible expenses prior to disbursement of the Second Draw PPP Loan.
Documenting Forgiveness
You must to keep certain records documenting forgiveness for six years after the date the loan is forgiven or paid in full. In addition, you must “permit authorized representatives of SBA, including representatives of its Office of Inspector General, to access such files upon request.”
The documentation requirements are found on pages 7 and 8 of the instructions.
The Borrower Demographic Form
Finally there is an optional PPP Borrower Demographic Information Form. It’s up to you whether you want to fill this out though it may be helpful to understand the demographics of business owners served by this program.
More FAQs About PPP Forgiveness
There have been a number of questions answered by the SBA, and they have been gathered in the Interim Final Rule published January 19, 2021. We recommend you review that document carefully. There are still unanswered questions, however, so more guidance may be coming.
When do I have to apply for forgiveness?
Generally, you can apply for forgiveness after you’ve spent your PPP funds (after your “covered period.”). However, note that a borrower applying for forgiveness of a Second Draw PPP Loan that is more than $150,000 must submit the loan forgiveness application for its First Draw PPP Loan before or simultaneously with the loan forgiveness application for its Second Draw PPP Loan.
If you delay too long, however, you may have to start making payments on the loan. The SBA explains: “If the borrower does not apply for loan forgiveness within 10 months after the last day of the maximum covered period of 24 weeks, or if SBA determines that the loan is not eligible for forgiveness (in whole or in part), the PPP loan is no longer deferred and the borrower must begin paying principal and interest. If this occurs, the lender must notify the borrower of the date the first payment is due.”
Will PPP forgiven balances be taxed?
No. And thanks to the Economic Aid Act you may also deduct eligible expenses paid for with PPP funds. Keep in mind state taxing authorities may treat these forgiven loan funds differently. Read: Are Forgiven PPP Loans Taxable?
Can I pay bonuses or increase salaries?
Yes, the SBA Administrator has determined that, if an employee’s total compensation does not exceed $100,000 on an annualized basis, as prorated for the period during which the payments are made or the obligation to make the payments is incurred, the employee’s hazard pay and bonuses are eligible for loan forgiveness because they constitute a supplement to salary or wages, and are thus a similar form of compensation.
Are there caps on the amount of loan forgiveness available for owner-employees and self-employed individuals’ own payroll compensation?
Yes. Forgiveness is capped at 2.5 months’ worth (2.5/12) of an owner-employee or self-employed individual’s 2019 or 2020 compensation (up to a maximum $20,833 per individual in total across all businesses). The individual’s total compensation may not exceed $100,000 on an annualized basis, as prorated for the period during which the payments are made or the obligation to make the payments is incurred.
For example, for borrowers that elect to use an eight-week covered period, the amount of loan forgiveness requested for owner-employees and self-employed individuals’ payroll compensation is capped at eight weeks’ worth (8/52) of 2019 or 2020 compensation (i.e., approximately 15.38 percent of 2019 or 2020 compensation) or $15,385 per individual, whichever is less, in total across all businesses. For borrowers that elect to use a ten-week covered period, the cap is ten weeks’ worth (10/52) of 2019 or 2020 compensation (approximately 19.23 percent) or $19,231 per individual, whichever is less, in total across all businesses. For a covered period longer than 2.5 months, the amount of loan forgiveness requested for owner-employees and self-employed individuals’ payroll compensation is capped at 2.5 months’ worth (2.5/12) of 2019 or 2020 compensation (up to $20,833) in total across all businesses.
In particular, C-corporation owner-employees are capped by the prorated amount of their 2019 or 2020 (the same year used to calculate loan amount) employee cash compensation and employer retirement and health, life, disability, vision and dental insurance contributions made on their behalf. S-corporation owner-employees are capped by the prorated amount of their 2019 or 2020 employee cash compensation and employer retirement contributions made on their behalf. However, employer health, life, disability, vision and dental insurance contributions made on their behalf cannot be separately added; those payments are already included in their employee cash compensation. Schedule C or F filers are capped by the prorated amount of their owner compensation replacement, calculated based on 2019 or 2020 net profit or gross income.
General partners are capped by the prorated amount of their 2019 or 2020 net earnings from self-employment (reduced by claimed section 179 expense deduction, unreimbursed partnership expenses, and depletion from oil and gas properties) multiplied by 0.9235. For self-employed individuals, including Schedule C or F filers and general partners, retirement and health, life, disability, vision or dental insurance contributions are included in their net self-employment income and therefore cannot be separately added to their payroll calculation. LLC members are subject to the rules based on their LLC’s tax filing status in the reference year used to determine their loan amount.
Owner-employees with less than a 5 percent ownership stake in a C- or Scorporation are not subject to the owner-employee compensation rule.
When must payroll be paid and/or incurred to be eligible for forgiveness?
Payroll costs are considered paid on the day that paychecks are distributed or the borrower originates an ACH credit transaction. Payroll costs incurred during the borrower’s last pay period of the covered period are eligible for forgiveness if paid on or before the next regular payroll date; otherwise, payroll costs must be paid during the covered period to be eligible for forgiveness. Payroll costs generally are incurred on the day the employee’s pay is earned (i.e., on the day the employee worked). For employees who are not performing work but are still on the borrower’s payroll, payroll costs are incurred based on the schedule established by the borrower (typically, each day that the employee would have performed work).
What if I work from home? Or sublease part of my space? Can I still count that rent for forgiveness?
No, the amount of loan forgiveness requested for nonpayroll costs may not include any amount attributable to the business operation of a tenant or sub-tenant of the PPP borrower or, for home-based businesses, household expenses. The examples below (directly from the SBA guidance) illustrate this rule.
Example 1: A borrower rents an office building for $10,000 per month and sub-leases out a portion of the space to other businesses for $2,500 per month. Only $7,500 per month is eligible for loan forgiveness.
Example 2: A borrower has a mortgage on an office building it operates out of, and it leases out a portion of the space to other businesses. The portion of mortgage interest that is eligible for loan forgiveness is limited to the percent share of the fair market value of the space that is not leased out to other businesses. As an illustration, if the leased space represents 25% of the fair market value of the office building, then the borrower may only claim forgiveness on 75% of the mortgage interest.
Example 3: A borrower shares a rented space with another business. When determining the amount that is eligible for loan forgiveness, the borrower must prorate rent and utility payments in the same manner as on the borrower’s 2019 tax filings, or if a new business, the borrower’s expected 2020 tax filings.
Example 4: A borrower works out of his or her home. When determining the amount of nonpayroll costs that are eligible for loan forgiveness, the borrower may include only the share of covered expenses that were deductible on the borrower’s 2019 tax filings, or if a new business, the borrower’s expected 2020 tax filings.
Will a borrower’s loan forgiveness amount be reduced if the borrower reduced the hours of an employee, then offered to restore the reduction in hours, but the employee declined the offer?
No. In calculating the loan forgiveness amount, a borrower may exclude any reduction in full-time equivalent employee headcount that is attributable to an individual employee if:
- The borrower made a good faith, written offer to restore the reduced hours of such employee;
- the offer was for the same salary or wages and same number of hours as earned by such employee in the last pay period prior to the reduction in hours;
- the offer was rejected by such employee; and
- the borrower has maintained records documenting the offer and its rejection.
Can I get the Employee Retention Credit and PPP?
Under section 206(c) of the Taxpayer Certainty and Disaster Tax Relief Act of 2020, an employer that is eligible for the employee retention credit (ERC) can claim the ERC even if the employer has received a Small Business Interruption Loan under the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP). The eligible employer can claim the ERC on any qualified wages that are not counted as payroll costs in obtaining PPP loan forgiveness. Any wages that could count toward eligibility for the ERC or PPP loan forgiveness can be applied to either of these two programs, but not both.
In other words, no double dipping. This means you’ll want to be extra careful choosing your covered period if you plan to take advantage of both programs. Be sure to talk with your tax professional as soon as possible.
This article was originally written on May 21, 2020 and updated on October 5, 2021.
Can you clarify the FTE Reduction Safe Harbor exemption? For example, if you have a PPP loan for $100,000 but due to restrictions and space limitations, I was unable to hire back any employees so there is no payroll for the covered period. The limitation is that the store is only 200 square feet and there simply isn’t enough room to safely keep 6 feet between employees or customers. Plus, all the employees said they didn’t want to come back even at full salary.
In this case, if initial next to the first safe harbor exemption is the loan still forgiven even if there is no payroll?
Adam – the best place to get clarification on this question is in the SBA’s IFR for forgiveness. It consolidates SBA guidance on forgiveness.
I prepared all my documents relevant for ppp loan forgiveness but one thing i am unable to find.
How its apply?
Where to apply?
Is these documents are apply on lender email or any email.
Thanks
You must contact your lender who gave you the PPP loan. They may have an online portal to apply for forgiveness but we recommend keeping a copy of your calculations in case the SBA ever audits your loan.
Hi…I would like to apply for PPP loan forgiveness. I own a home staging company. I rent warehouse space – so I know I can use that as part of my expenses. I have only part time people working for me – I don’t have any full time employees. 2 of them I pay in cash. How do I use this toward my expenses? And my main part timer – I mostly pay him by check. But there are some times I get paid in cash – so I pay my part timer in cash. How do I prove that?
My other main expenses (besides gas and electric expenses) is purchasing furniture and accessories for staging. I always get receipts for those purchases. Is this only 40% of what is eligible?
I will digest your helpful article some more – I think I am only asking for about $16,000.
Thanks for any advice.
Linda Leyble
Linda – For purposes of PPP an employee is someone whom you pay by payroll (part-time or full-time). That means you withhold taxes/FICA and those wages are reported. An employee paid by cash without those withholdings will not qualify. (The exception is yourself as a self-employed business owner – you may qualify based on owner’s compensation replacement as discussed here.)
I recommend you get some advice from a professional to maximize forgiveness. This article may help you find assistance.
I was just approved for my PPP loan and I am a single owner/employee S Corp and file with form 1020S. I have not paid myself a salary from the business since starting in 2015. How do I calculate the payroll? Can I pay myself as payroll and have it forgiven? This website and the articles are top notch… Thank you, John
Thanks for the kind words Josh. I think this article will be most helpful to you since you are self-employed. It should answer your questions, but generally it shouldn’t be too hard to get forgiveness if you are self employed.
Hello, our shady lender, KServicing.com won’t let us apply for forgiveness. Below is their website statement. What is our option if we have a PPP loan, but our lender turns out to be a scam outfit and won’t let us apply for forgiveness? I’ve contacted them, complained to BBB and written to the SBA (with no response.) Thank you
The SBA recently released new forgiveness applications based on the changes in the December 27, 2020 relief bill. We are currently not accepting forgiveness applications due to changes made by the SBA. The SBA is no longer accepting the legacy 3508S, 3508EZ, and 3508 forms as of March 5th, 2021.
Please be patient with us as we prepare for the new forms. If you have an open application with us, we will be reaching out when the new forgiveness application forms are ready. If you have an application submitted to the SBA before March 5th, 2021, the SBA will continue to process your application.
It sounds to me like your lender is trying to implement the new forgiveness forms. They are correct that the SBA has updated the forms (multiple times). They probably use an online interface that has to be updated. Many lenders are juggling new applications with forgiveness and it is taking time. Unless your loan is reaching a repayment period – which is generally 10 months after you get the loan – you shouldn’t have to make payments.
Hi Gerri, Such a great article.
if an owner of (S-Corp which is an employee as well annual salary$60,000) received $10,000 payroll on 8 Weeks covered period, How much payroll cost should be reported on ppp loan forgiveness?
In this case should I report $10,000
OR $60,000×8weeks / 52 weeks = 9231
Also if regular employee(annual salary $48,000) received $8,000 payroll on 8 Weeks covered period, How much payroll cost should be reported on ppp loan forgiveness?
In this case should I report $8,000
OR $48,000×8weeks / 52 weeks = $7,385
You use the payroll paid during the covered period. My best advice is to pull out the latest application and walk through it with the instructions. It’s confusing at first but it makes more sense if you go through it with the instructions.
Hey…I’m new at this i want to know how or if I can apply for a ppp unforgiveness loan for my Detailing Business. For right now I’m doing it from my house but looking to getting a building for my business for growth
PPP is currently closed to new applications. You may want to consider EIDL instead.
Great article. Very helpful. The most well put together & flowing article I’ve come across as of yet regarding PPP. Thank you for the effort Gerri.
Thank you Mike! That means a lot.
Hi…l’m an independent Contractor & have been for the last 20yrs. I usually contract with Courier Companies for Courier(delivery). Sometimes l get routed work that can last anywhere from a year to 10 yrs depending on how long the contract between the Courier company & their customer lasts. About 4yrs ago, l landed a contract for routed work that had been going well until COVID struck & the company shut down! I lost about $400/wk of income & that happened around March 25th 2020. About Mid Dec 2020, l tested +ve for COVID & l was home because of it for a better part of a month! I applied for a loan Via the SBA website & was denied & l could tell it was because of my Credit Score…my question is, can l apply for an EIDL Grant especially now that the program is going to receive more funding from the recently signed COVID relief Bill by President Biden? As in would l be eligible?
Nick – I’m truly sorry to hear that. Right now you have to get an invitation to apply from the SBA and they are sending those invitations to those who got a partial EIDL grant first, then to those who got no grant because funding expired. This article goes into detail. It doesn’t appear the new supplemental $5000 grant included in the American Rescue Plan will be available to those who got denied in 2020 but we don’t have the guidance yet and it probably won’t be available for a couple of weeks.
You may be able to take advantage of other programs under that new legislation though including pandemic unemployment, or paid family and sick leave while you were unable to work due to COVID-19. We touched on those in this article.
We are trying to complete the forgiveness application and generally qualify to use the EZ form EXCEPT for I am not sure if the following situation would disqualify us: We had two employees die in 2020. The first was on 2/6 and the second on 6/26. We received our loan proceeds on 4/20. The first employee was also and owner (which we did not replace for obvious reasons) and the 2nd we just haven’t needed to replace yet. Since these deaths result in a reduction of FTE, even though they were beyond our control, does that disqualify us from using the EZ form? I can’t find any information anywhere addressing deaths of employees.
Karen – This is a really important question, especially given what’s happened this year. I have not seen it specifically addressed in the SBA guidance though it seems that legal blogs are taking the position that an employee death should likely be an exception for FTE reduction. See those opinions here, here, and here. The fact that SBA hasn’t specifically answered this question feels like an oversight. You may want to reach out to your regional SBA office to see if they can answer it – or at least flag it as an issue of concern.
My business is 1 month old, could I apply for PPP or EIDL grants/loans for lost hours/wages? I didn’t see any info. regarding my question in the information regarding this topic. Would NAV suggest any options for financial assistance for a new start up w/bad personal credit? I am currently building my fundability by net-30’s etc. but working with a small budget.
Unfortunately for PPP you must have been in business by February 15, 2020 and for EIDL I believe the requirement is still January 31, 2020. Start up financing can be challenging. We have a Youtube webinar that discusses options. You can watch it here.
Thanks for your great answers. My question is as follows:
Regarding calculations for full time employees FTE, our store is located in a mall that was closed due to the pandemic from mid March to end of June, 2020. On reopening, the mall management in order to maintain social distancing inside the mall is only allowing 15% people capacity to come into the mall at any time. Given that we received the PPP loan early May 2020 and because the mall was closed for almost 4 months and additionally, 2 of the pre-pandemic staff had already taken up employment with other companies, it was not possible to hire new staff and start using the PPP loan to pay the new staff because the mall was shut down with no business operations. Even when we reopened, it was only possible to hire back 3 of the pre-pandemic staff because of 85% reduced mall capacity and shorter opening hours.
What do we need to provide the bank to help explain why we could not use the loan immediately starting the first week of the covered period to pay staff because the mall was closed. As a result of the mentioned reasons, we were eventually only able to use 50% from the 60% portion of loan proceeds towards payroll. Since we continued to pay rents and utilities while the mall was closed, can we use full 40% portion of the loan proceeds to get forgiveness for rents and utilities paid during the covered period even though the 60% portion of the loan proceeds was not used fully.
In trying to research this on the internet, I came across the statements below and I wonder how and if this applies to our situation.
Paycheck Protection Program Loan Forgiveness Application
Borrowers who remain partially or fully closed through the end of 2020 and therefore do not satisfy the FTE requirement for loan forgiveness have two new safe harbors. The loan forgiveness amount won’t be reduced if the failure resulted from an inability to hire people with similar qualifications by December 31, 2020. Similarly, the amount won’t be reduced if the failure resulted because the business wasn’t able to return to its pre-February 15, 2020 level of activity because of certain federal employee/customer safety requirements.
The PPP Flexibility Act also states that you may not be impacted by the FTE loan forgiveness reduction if you:
Can document why you weren’t able to return to the same level of business activity you had before February 15, 2020. You must show how complying with the CDC’s, OSHA’s, or the Secretary of Health and Human Services’ health guidelines (e.g., social distancing) between the months of March 1, 2020 – December 31, 2020 prevented you from keeping your employee headcount up.
The best thing you can do is to go through the PPP forgiveness form and the instructions. Give yourself time. It isn’t the easiest to get through but if you’re patient with it you’ll be able to calculate any reduction in forgiveness and whether you qualify for the exemptions. Tip: There will be a place where you will be instructed to divide by .60 – divide don’t multiply! (It throws everyone off.) If you can’t get through it then I recommend you work with an accounting professional familiar with these forms. IMO it’s worth it to get as much forgiven as possible.
Anthony – the SBA has just released a new complete guide to forgiveness you’ll find here. It’s very detailed and should hopefully answer your questions.
My Lender Regions says they are not going to accept the forgiveness apps. Where do I send it?
It sounds like you were given misinformation or there is a miscommunication. You must apply through the lender that made the PPP loan unless they sold the loan. If they sold the loan, then you’d apply through the company that purchased the loan. Regions has a page with PPP forgiveness information and a youtube video that explains how to use their portal.
I have completed my 3508s forgiveness applicatioon.
where do i send it ?
You need to submit it to the lender who gave you the PPP loan. They may use an electronic version.
I applied for my loan and got approved right through http://www.sba.gov. How and where do I submit my loan forgiveness application
Arthur – if you applied through SBA.gov that was the Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL) not PPP. EIDL loans cannot be forgiven. (The EIDL grant though does not have to be repaid.) If you applied for PPP then you applied through a lender and you’ll need to contact your lender to apply for forgiveness.
Can I still apply now or is it too late?
You cannot currently apply for a PPP loan but if you obtained one you may still apply for forgiveness.
Application Declined from SBA PROCESSING, so can I file for Forgivable
I’m sorry I don’t understand your question. Can you restate it?
Hello I have mine all figured out just trying to find out where I send it?
You will apply through the lender that gave you a PPP loan.
From my reading of the form, any business seeking forgiveness on an 8 week basis that has not reduced staff in number or wages is never going to get more than a portion of their loan forgiven – it will always be just a portion of the payroll for that period, such as 60%. This is because entering the ‘smallest of lines 8, 9, or 10’ to determine the forgiveness amount. Since the loan is typically based on 2.5 months of payroll, that option (Line 9) is always going to be larger than Line 10, (actual payroll x .60). Obviously as well, Line 8 will never be selected because as the grand total of expenses it is always going to be larger than the other options. It appears that you have to select the 24 week period in order to recoup more than a small portion of the loan total – is this correct?
I’m not sure I follow your question but make sure on Line 7 you divide by .60 not multiply. That’s confused many people and thrown off their calculations.
Thanks for all the information. My question is whether a Forgiven loan by the SBA leaves a ugly stain on your company’s credit. Any idea? I haven’t been able to find anything.
It should not. Generally SBA loans can be reported but PPP loans are forgiven in a short period of time for most borrowers it’s unlikely to report.
I just realized after filing the loan forgiveness form that I greatly under-requested the amount I could have received. Is it possible to apply for the remaining amount I could have requested? (I requested $10,500 and from the forgiveness form I could have requested $25,000). I believe the PPP loan application process was extended for more PPP loans recently.
I have finished my forgiveness application but can’t find anywhere in the instructions as to where to send the forms. I’ve been searching the internet and find nothing. I’ve called the bank where I received the PPP Loan and they have no idea where I am to send it. My loan was from Regions Bank. Can you please inform us where to send the forms?
You apply with the lender that gave you your PPP loan.
Same question as April, but maybe I missed the answer? My husband is self employed and received the sba loan based on His schedule C net. He is the inly employee and only pays himself from business checking to personal checking what is leftover after business expenses each month. How does he need to “pay” himself each month? Write a check? Is business to checking still ok? Since his normal payroll to himself varies, is one transfer or check a month ok or does he have to it weekly?
The guidance doesn’t really specify so we’re recommending business owners pay themselves out of a business checking account and keep a record of those payments. There’s nothing that says a self employed person who pays themselves has to do so on a specific schedule.
Seems like no guidance on partnerships? Have you seen anything for loan forgiveness where initial loan was provided on basis of K1
Sharad – Have you seen this guidance? Treasury: How to Calculate Loan Amounts by Business Type
We have an employee who worked in all of 2019, but quit on 2/5/2020. This had nothing to do with Covid or downsizing. Does that mean we still get “docked” for losing an FTE? We do want to replace him & haven’t found anyone yet. If we do get docked for that, do we have 24 weeks to replace him so that we wouldn’t get docked? It is our intention to get someone whether we get docked or not. Thanks in advance for your help!
Diana – There is subsequent guidance for employees who left and could not be replaced. You’ll find details in full forgiveness application instructions.
What documentation will SBA require for self-employed individuals (Schedule C) in payments to themselves? Will the SBA require cancelled checks made payable to themselves or will a printed proof of transfer from a business account to a personal account suffice?
April – I tried to answer that in the next to last question. There isn’t specific guidance yet. Also we have a updated the article for the self-employed with the new EZ form: Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan
On line 11 is says “forgiveness enter the smaller amount for lines 8, 9, 10.” Witch makes no since as line 10 will be the smaller since its 75% of the payroll coast of the loan. This does not include the Non payroll coast that can be forgiven if at least 75% of the loan was used for pay roll.
In the instructions it says line 10 is “this determines weather at least 75% of the potential forgiveness amount was used for payroll coast”.
If 75% of the loan was used on payroll then the other 25% can be used on non payroll coast that were outlined.
Jared – It’s confusing no doubt. Note that now it’s 60% minimum for payroll. And you divide by .60 (not multiply) which should produce a different result.
Note this article has been updated with the new application form. Also keep in mind you may qualify to use the EZ form, which is also new and referenced in this article.
Hope that helps!
Thank you for all the fantastic information on this topic. I’m interested in your thoughts/guidance in general about the 10 weeks of payroll expense for applications versus the 8 weeks for forgiveness – it seems strange to me that these do not align. In my case I’m a SMLLC and received a loan based on 10 weeks of Schedule C prorated net income. Aside from “payroll” (which in my case are owners draws) I do not have any of the other qualifying expenses (rent, utilities, etc.) in meaningful amounts. My intention was to use 100% of the loan proceeds for my payroll and I scheduled out the amounts/timing to conform to Sched C. Doing so however, means that my final pay period falls outside the 8 week forgiveness window. To illustrate the point let says net income Sched C was $52K, I’d qualify for a $10K loan, but payroll at the same amounts/same timeline as Sched C for an 8 week period would only be $8K – meaning the final $2K would not be eligible for forgiveness. Is there a requirement to tie payroll during the forgiveness period back to the same schedule C payroll used to qualify? Would a business owner simple forfeit the forgiveness on that final payroll of $2K in the example and have to repay it? Or, can the business owner simply pay himself (either at an increased rate each pay period, or as a “bonus” at the end of 8 weeks) all of the loan proceeds to ensure the full loan proceeds are used for payroll and thus have it all forgiven?
Timothy – Your observations about the self employed are correct. The new application just released addresses this very issue. You’ll want to read our updated article: Self-Employed: How To Apply For A Payroll Protection Program PPP Loan
Are wages paid to shareholders of an S Corp eligible for forgiveness?
Yes wages to owner-employees of an S-corporation are included. There are limitations though so read the instructions carefully.